Interview with Anna Lee Part 2
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Hey there, everyone. Welcome back. We're gonna dive straight into the second part of my amazing conversation with Anna Lee Sanders. I hope you enjoy it
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: cool, cool. I like it. Um, your programs specifically are built around demands for sports, but you also build programs for individual [00:01:00] teams. And do you find that most dogs competing in sports need tweaks to fit their specific body, or can they, go self-study through your program and be A-okay?
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yes, that is also a good question. Um, so the majority-- So dogs that need a custom program are dogs that are compromised in some way or have been compromised in the past, meaning the dog has recovered from an injury, but they have a limitation. The dog has a known, uh, orthopedic issue and has been cleared to return to sport or work, but need some specific adaptations for their body, um, has a hypermobility related issue, and certain exercises are, as they are [00:02:00] written, not good for the dog to go to the end range.
Um, and many handlers need a custom program because they want results faster. So for example, my sport dog program is a year-long or more program, right? It's a lot. It is, uh, four sets of circuits that progress from, you know, beginner to expert in this vertical progression fashion, and it takes time to train that stuff.
Sometimes, even if a dog is healthy, has no special needs, um, the handler doesn't want to wait a year. So in that case, I'm happy to build a custom program that will help to fast-track your progress. I've also tried to include that information in my sport dog program for free by having the, [00:03:00] the shoulder focus track, the rear focus track, core track.
But still, sometimes people just want to throw money at the problem, in which case I am happy to be the receiver of that.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: absolutely. I mean, who isn't ready to receive some money? Uh, okay, that, that makes a lot of sense, but also going back to the very first question, when this is started before you need it,
you're maybe not as urgent about, "I need answers now."
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yes. Yes, totally
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: while, I mean, I can certainly attest to, like, there's progress in Sprint's ability,
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: So much.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: not been fast,
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: in today's standard.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Um, you know, if I think about it, she's been going about it for a couple of years now,
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: a half. I don't
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: But if she had done that as a [00:04:00] puppy,
it would've been a year and a half's worth of work, for
sure, Right. So it,
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: good old-fashioned, good old-fashioned Susan Garrett, what you learn first, you loo- you learn best,
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Yes, so having to teach her to recruit those muscles differently, um, certainly it will take time, but
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Right
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I can see improvement on, in the conditioning room and on the agility field is enough motivation for me. And I, I know that that's not the case for everyone.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Well, that's true. And, you know, another point that, that you kind of low-key made is I wonder if with, with some of the, you know, kind of unique issues Sprint had, if she started conditioning as a baby puppy, and, you know, we'll never know, but hindsight being 20/20, if she started conditioning as a baby puppy, might you have noticed some of her additional needs [00:05:00] earlier and been able to, like, do early intervention so that you could short-circuit this, this type of fixing it in the moment type, uh, reactivity from a dog training perspective, you know?
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I think about that all the time.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah. Yeah.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I, I live in that what if space some days.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: I, I know, I know. Well, for the next dog, for the next dog. And, you know, you can't go back, but once we know better, we can do better
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: For sure. Um, n- now I kind of wanna talk more specifically about working with you
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Okay
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: if there are big differences between how you work with, like, larger breeds versus smaller breeds and things like that.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: For the most part, for the most part, dogs are dogs in the conditioning room. Of course, you know, [00:06:00] larger dogs require larger equipment. They have more margin for error from a caloric perspective. Um, small dogs are less expensive. If you're a small dog person, you know, for the most part, um, you know, you can have smaller equipment.
But from a conditioning perspective, the demands applied to a small dog body and a large dog body are the same. Or I would even say the demands applied to a small dog body are more, you know. The demands of life, stairs, you know, with a, with a normal standard rise for my seventy-five pound, twenty-five inch tall Labrador are no problem.
But those same demands that a, you know, an eight-inch jumping Papillon has to navigate, those demands are actually a lot bigger. And so my approach to small dogs and [00:07:00] large dogs, dogs that are very heavily angled or have more upright angulation, dogs that, you know, are longer bodied or shorter bodied, my approach is generally the same.
We want to look for proper alignment for the dog. There are going to be some adjustments for extreme body types, of course. Proper alignment for the dog, which is just defined by canine anatomy. It's not specific to a breed. Ask for that alignment in a static position. Once the dog has that alignment in a static position, link those static positions together into dynamic motion.
And then once the dog is able to execute that dynamic motion on a stable surface, then we can start to increase complexity. But conditioning for large dogs and small dogs is the same, and small dogs need this just as [00:08:00] much as border collies, as Malinois, as, I don't know, Newfoundlands. The little dogs deserve the same preparation so that mentally, physically, and emotionally, they are able to meet the demands that we are choosing to expose them to.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Yeah, absolutely. So just be prepared to have different equipment for them.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: That's true, yes.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: difference.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Different equipment, yes. For sure
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: my poor dogs can't use Sprint's tiny little... So I technically have dogs of similar size,
but not in the conditioning room.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: her little noodle body gets things much smaller than the average size border
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah. Yeah, I bet. I bet. I know my little red border collie, David Rose, he is 22 inches tall at the withers, and he [00:09:00] uses Labrador-sized platforms,
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Right
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: right? Um, and so yes, measuring equipment for your dog, uh, I have a whole guide on my website if, you know, and it's free for anybody who wants that downloadable that's there.
Um, but also, um, you... Equipment becomes an issue when we buy a lot of fancy stuff,
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Mm-hmm.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: and a lot of that stuff, I mean, it's beautiful. I love it. I love having color-coordinated, but it's not necessary. Most conditioning exercises can be done with a handful of stable platforms and an elevated stable target. You really don't need a ton of stuff unless you wanna have it, and you have unlimited funds, space, whatever, right?
But you don't need it. It does not have to be a barrier
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Yeah, for sure. I use the [00:10:00] same two or three things
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: I know.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: time, and it's great.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Right
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: you pick 'em up, and she comes a-running. Um, so, uh, how, how do you feel that students get the most out of
working with you and also to be a good match for you?
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Mm.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: you know, as professionals, gonna be the right fit for everyone.
So who is the right fit for you?
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Okay. Yes, right. So I am definitely not for everyone. There are many different approaches that are available in the conditioning world as there are, uh, as there are people, right? Um, my approach is very formulaic. Um, it, it starts, uh, from singular variables that then, like puzzle pieces, are interlocked together.
So people who typically [00:11:00] respond well to my approach are people who like to know what step they are on, what step is next, and are able to know definitively if they are doing it right or not doing it right. And that is not for everyone. But
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Mm-hmm.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: from a professional perspective, if I'm going to hand you a program, whether you're going to implement that on your own or if we're going to implement that together, I want to know you're not gonna get all twisted and lost because nobody likes that
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Yep. Then you're frustrated, you
quit, and now we're back to doing nothing
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Right. And that is the piece that I wanted to guarantee as much as possible, is that if you follow the exercise progression that's laid out in any of my program [00:12:00] manuals, you will know where you are, you will know where you're going, you'll know where you came from, right? And you will be able to adjust for your dog, uh, for the dog in front of you.
Um, and that's more precise. Um, it's more formulaic. It has more rules, uh, than, than some of my other colleagues. But, you know, it's how I can guarantee you will be successful if you follow this protocol. I Googled myself the other day and, uh, and which is always dangerous, right? An interesting Reddit thread came up where they were asking about Canine Conditioning Coach, which I feel like is so weird that I am showing up in, like, Reddit threads on the internet, right?
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: "I read a Reddit thread about you." I'm like, "We discussed
dog agility on Reddit?
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: wait, [00:13:00] what's happening? Right. Um, and it, there was a back and forth about how my method was, was too precise, and because it was too precise, it wasn't for them, but you know, like whatever, whatever. And if I had to have ne- negative commentary about the, this product that I've produced, this method that I have birthed from my soul, to have someone say it's too precise, like I will take that, yes.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Like, oh, it was just too, it was too put together.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Too, too precise, too put together, right?
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: too detailed. Like, I have never complained about having too many details. I love it, and it's what me to you, is that if I'm going to make instructions that I want someone to follow, it's going to [00:14:00] be very precise,
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: down. So
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yes.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I absolutely love it, and I think
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I will... Most of my listeners will be on board with your approach. Just saying. Um, okay. I, I have a couple more questions that
I'll throw out for you. So one, uh, you mentioned your blog on
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Mm-hmm.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: equipment, which is
fantastic. T- it goes through what you need, your favorite products, how to
measure. It was very easy to follow.
It's what I used. Um, and I will link to that in the show notes. But for people wanting to learn more about you, where should they head?
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah. Yes. So I have a ton of free resources on the Canine Conditioning Coach site. Yeah, it's, it's on there, including a ton of free video tutorials in the video library. So if you wanna, if you, if you [00:15:00] want to check out my methodology, precision, um, if you want to see the way I, I train, the way I approach conditioning, you can click through more than half, almost half of the videos in the video library and just watch them for free.
You don't have to be a member. You don't have to make an account. Um, you can just log in. My blog has a ton of information as well about postural deviations, how to, uh, uh, assess your dog for these weird posture things like cow hock postural deviation, external rotation in the rear, uh, the similar thing in the front, east-west postural deviation, you know, uh, sway back posture.
There, there's a bunch of resources there for you so that if you're seeing weird postural stuff in your dog when your dog is standing around, you can start to begin to understand how [00:16:00] those postural deviations are not structural as they are often, uh, described. My dog's structure is such that-- structure is bone, posture is muscle, and a lot of these postural deviations are the early signs of underlying muscle imbalance, imbalance between agonist and antagonist so that the s- the skeleton is not being held in neutral alignment.
Um, and so there's a lot of information there for you if you want to start to get a sense of how conditioning exercises can help address those postural issues before they turn into actual injuries. Um, yeah. There's a bunch of-- There's a ton of stuff there. Click around. You can also see how I organize things.
On all my video pages, I have examples of the prerequisite exercises, [00:17:00] uh, the progression exercises so that you have an idea of where each and any of the videos that you're looking at fits into the progression. Um, yeah. Yeah
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I love it. And if someone does see some postural deviations,
that's more of a situation where you would recommend them reaching out to you for coaching with you because we might need to tweak the program, or would you still have them start at the beginning and then reach out to you once the foundations are set?
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah, that's a good question, and, you know, it, it depends. Um, like we were talking about at the, at the very beginning, if, if you are brand new to conditioning, if you have never done a single conditioning exercise, or if you are heavy into trick training and you've kind [00:18:00] of taken your, your tricks and turned them into conditioning exercises but haven't really gone through a structured program, it's impossible to start with targeted exercises, the kinds of targeted exercises that are necessary to correct muscle imbalances because, of course, targeted exercises are complex.
And before we do anything complex, we have to lay foundation. So you can always shoot me an email and, you know, we can have an email chat about the specifics of the postural deviation that, that you are, uh, noticing in your dog. A lot of that is broken down in the individual blog posts as well. And then you could start with something like the puppy program for dogs that are less than eight months old, or the beginner program if you have an adult dog or a, a grown dog, um, which are safe, low impact, no [00:19:00] impact skills that will later be joined together into exercises and these more targeted exercises that are listed in each blog.
Um, but if you're noticing something big or subtle, if your dog is offloading a specific limb, if you are noticing, um, a limb being held up, if you are noticing the dog's nose turning and looking back at the rear, if you are seeing unusual, you know, cobbing or biting at the same place, if you are notice ex- noticing excessive licking, these are actually first indicators that
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Mm-hmm.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: you have a problem that conditioning is not appropriate for.
Right. And that's the case where if you reached out to me, I would send you to rehab because [00:20:00] conditioning exercises, if we don't know what's going on, can, can sometimes do more harm than good, right? So we wanna get a diagnosis first and then, uh, do targeted conditioning later.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Love it. Okay, so postural deviations no additional signs of
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yes.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: we go the conditioning route, we solve it, we get ahead of it.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yep
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: When there's clear signs of discomfort and pain,
we go diagnostics.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yes. Yep. Always. Always.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Always. And I love that you listed out some of those indicators of pain
that we're very good at ignoring.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: that's also my part-time job is pointing those things out.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yep. Yep. Yep. For sure
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: yeah, they, they're very good at hiding it, so we
have to be, we [00:21:00] have to be over-observant, I
think.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Right.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Um, yeah
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah, and, you know, as, as good as they are at hiding it, we have to be better at seeing it, you know? Uh, so often in sport dogs and pet dogs, 'cause I work with both populations, you know, stuff that is very obvious discomfort is written off as, "Oh, that's just how he is. Oh, my dog has never liked other dogs by her rear end.
Oh, my dog doesn't like nail trims. Oh, my..." You know? And all of those things, like, start to get the little hairs on the back of my neck to stand up because those are strong indicators of discomfort,
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Yes, absolutely
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: assuming good dog training, you know
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Yes. Totally. Totally. Um, okay, final question.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Okay
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: If you, if you have an answer for it, but do you [00:22:00] have anything exciting coming up that you want to, um, talk about or share?
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yes. Yes, I do. I have...
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I've been waiting for this.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Okay, yes. I have, I have a few big projects, um, that I'm building right now. Um, so the, the first big project that I'm building is, uh, a home exercise program platform, which will allow other practitioners, other, uh, canine fitness practitioners and other rehab practitioners to use my content, my material, videos, um, programs, et cetera, with their own clients, with their own dog handler teams.
Because I would love to clone myself, and I'm sure you would also love to clone yourself, but we're not there yet. So, I have [00:23:00] this, uh, this, this secondary platform that I am building out and getting ready to launch, so that is an exciting, very big project. And along with that, I am getting ready, and this is like a, a 2027, uh, rollout, but...
or, like a late 2027 rollout, but I am getting ready to launch my own canine fitness certification, um, which I'm super excited about. And existing practitioners in the fitness and rehab world will be welcome, as well as other, uh, people who are, are brand new to conditioning will be also welcome to join.
Because, you know, a rising tide lifts all boats, and if I can do more to improve the industry to provide more, more detailed, more evidence-based dog training exercises [00:24:00] to the industry at large, I really wanna do that. And more than anything, I just love teaching. Um, and I, I can, I can reach more people and I can help more teams by taking this, you know, information that is crazy and in my head, and putting it into your head.
So,
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: I know. I know. I know.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Okay, well, super excited for you, and I'm excited for the do- like the trickle-down effect of
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah. Yeah
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: huge. And what a great opportunity for you to impact the industry a- and like our little corner of the world. That's
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: I know. I know. It's, it's really exciting, and I have to say, Meghan, way back when, when you first emailed me and I was like, "Oh my God, that's Meghan Foster who's emailing me," like, right? It was so [00:25:00] interesting to see your open-mindedness and your willingness to take this kind of m- mid skill that you had and listen to another professional who, you know, was not in your field, but was, you know, in a tangentially related field, and adjust your approach and really embrace the change for the betterment of yourself, for the betterment of your current dogs, for your, for your future dogs, for your students.
And, you know, I just love a collaborative approach, and I really feel like when we work together, um, we can do so much more than any one of us can do alone. So I really appreciate working with you and, you know, how, how fantastic your improvements have been
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Oh, I appreciate that. Um, bec- I, I totally agree. Uh, my original business name was Synergy Dog [00:26:00] Sports, uh, working together to create a better result.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Mm-hmm.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: so I, I'm totally into this vibe and, you know, I, I have... I've certainly had those days where I could be pushed into a career change, so,
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Oh, oh.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I know. Um, not this week, don't worry.
Um, but if I ever needed to, I could cer- or, you know, a career shift, I, I, I feel myself very drawn
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: to the conditioning side of things because of how closely it affects my work.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: And now that I have this better understanding of how a dog moves differently from
agility field to conditioning room,
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: see things differently,
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I, I watch agility differently.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: And so, you know, back to the like, yes, sure, [00:27:00] I'm getting a ton out of it for Sprint, but it's changing how I coach,
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: it's changing how I write future programs of when I think you should start this skill.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah. Yeah, yeah
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: of course, I, you know, my wheels are turning of future collaborations and things like that, um, because I am nothing but a bucket of ideas.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Likewise
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Right? Um, so I, I'm super appreciative, uh, of you as well in that you are, you're not... Like, you do have incredible information and you could just let your programs sit as is, and you refuse to kinda let them stale, and I love that
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Yeah. Always, always learning and always growing because if I'm not doing that, I'm bored or dying, you know, and I, I don't do well with either of those things, you know? And as the [00:28:00] conditioning world becomes more mature, as the, the sport world becomes more mature, as the rehab world becomes more mature, you know, w- we're all in our infancy here.
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Mm-hmm.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: I, I really think this, this overlap of these three professions is, is going to become bigger, right? We're going to be able to help each other more, and that's, that's really what I'm into, you know? Too much division, too much, I don't know, pissing contests, I'm not into that. I really, uh, I really think that conditioning is for everybody, um, and good dog training is good dog training
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: Heck yeah. And I'm on board for more good dog training.
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: Me too
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: I love it. Awesome. Thank you so much
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: You're so welcome
megan---she-her-_1_09-14-2026_110221: a small part of your beautiful brain, [00:29:00] I hope we get to do this again
anna-lee-sanders--she-her-_1_09-14-2026_120220: I hope so too. Thanks for having me
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